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    What do the numbers mean on FA Cup draw balls?

    THE FA Cup draw is one of those events that has football fans glued to their screens.The practice of drawing teams out of a bag goes back decades – in a competition that is steeped in tradition.
    Denis Law and Terry Venables perform the FA Cup draw in 2000Credit: Times Newspapers Ltd
    The FA Cup is the oldest football competition in the worldCredit: PA
    The world’s oldest football competition has retained some of its old charm in an age of VAR, robot assistant referees and goal-line technology.
    The FA’s draws look and feel very different to Uefa’s Champions League and Europa League draws, where paper team names are taken out of plastic balls.
    Why have the FA Cup draw balls numbered?
    The FA Cup numbers correspond to the tie winners from previous rounds.
    So a team – or two teams – will be associated with that number.
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    Here are a selection of numbers from the FA Cup fourth round draw in the 2022-23 season:

    1 Preston North End
    2 Brighton & Hove Albion
    3 Chesterfield or West Bromwich Albion
    4 Manchester City or Chelsea
    5 Stockport County or Walsall
    6 Boreham Wood or Accrington Stanley
    7 Tottenham Hotspur
    8 Derby County or Barnsley
    9 Cardiff City or Leeds United
    10 Brentford or West Ham United
    11 Burnley, etc

    If a tie has yet to be played or the tie from that round has been drawn and goes to a replay, two clubs are associated wit that number, such as Chesterfield or West Bromwich Albion.
    How do they decide on the order for the numbers?
    There are two criteria:
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    How early that team came out of the draw. So if a team came from the first round or second round and made it to the fourth round, they will have a low number.
    Alphabetical order. This usually gives Arsenal a low number and York City a higher number. More

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    Chelsea no longer a hire ’em, fire ’em club under Boehly, says Potter, as boss insists he is NOT fearing for his job

    GRAHAM POTTER says Chelsea are no longer a hire ’em, fire ’em club when it comes to managers.Just two wins in eight games would have had his predecessors looking over their shoulders.
    Chelsea have endured a poor run recently under manager Graham PotterCredit: AFP
    But Potter said: “The owners are billionaires, so are quite smart — smarter than me, for sure.
    “So they understand the challenges we have and the direction we want to go in.
    “I’ve been here four months and five or six weeks have been lost to international football.
    “I would always feel lucky to be at Chelsea as I feel grateful and privileged to be here.”
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    Potter is the Blues’ 12th full-time boss since 2000.
    But he claims things have changed since American Todd Boehly bought the club from Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich last year.
    And ahead of today’s daunting FA Cup showdown at Manchester City, Potter said: “There’s a completely different ownership than before — and this is hard for people to get their head around.
    “Chelsea, for 20 years, has been one thing and all of a sudden, it’s different.
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    “The reason for me to take the job was because you’ve got a chance to shape a club in a massive transitional period.
    “I knew there would be extreme challenges.
    “And it’s not like I was jumping at the first opportunity to leave Brighton.
    “I had other opportunities but this one felt right because of the owners, the support they would give and they have. They have been fantastic.
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    “I’m more confident now that we can achieve things than I was when I started because I understand the club, the players and what’s needed.”
    Potter got the job when Boehly axed Thomas Tuchel in September.
    The former Seagulls boss added: “I know the responsibility we have here but also I know that I am capable.
    “We’re not even halfway through the season yet but we have a game in a cup competition that we want to do well in.
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    “I can’t sit here and say I’m a perfect person.
    “But at the same time there are factors that would take into consideration where we’re at.” More

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    Non-League Wrexham stun Coventry 4-3 in seven-goal FA Cup thriller… but Hollywood owners miss it as stream goes down

    IT would be all too easy to say they should make a Hollywood movie about this epic football match — given Wrexham’s A-lister owners Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney.But you would need an entire series to cram in all the excitement, emotion, thrills, spills and sheer drama of this thriller.
    Wrexham triumphed in a bonkers cup tie at CoventryCredit: Rex
    The National League side dramatically booked their place in round fourCredit: Getty
    Seven goals, one red card, a booking for Wrexham boss Phil Parkinson, great goals, penalty drama all in 90 minutes — what a script!
    And what a pity the entire UK could not watch this drama unfold as only Welsh station S4C had the good sense to see that this tie was laced with the romance of the Cup.
    Incredibly, over in Hollywood, Wrexham’s famous backers appeared to have missed some of the action as McElhenney tweeted: “The feed at ESPN+ went down!!! What’s happening???? @Wrexham_AFC.”
    Fortunately for McElhenney and Reynolds Wrexham now have a fourth-round tie to look forward to — which is bound to be screened.
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    On this evidence the sequel will likely be another blockbuster!
    Three divisions and one national border separated these famous FA Cup contestants.
    National League Wrexham had not lost in 17 matches and arrived at the CBS Arena brimming with confidence — even Coventry boss Mark Robins warned his Championship side: “Wrexham are by far the best side outside the top four divisions.”
    Within 20 minutes, the visitors had confirmed it.
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    Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney have both fallen in love with WrexhamCredit: Getty Images – Getty
    The Dragons were simply too hot for the Sky Blues to handle as they played with the swagger of a side who  are going places.
    Parkinson’s heroes seized the lead after 12 minutes.
    Midfielder Luke Young strode forward before sweeping in a delicious cross from the right and Sam Dalby soared above Jonathan Panzo and Michael Rose to power his header beyond Simon Moore.
    The 4,500 travelling Wrexham fans went wild and a couple of red flares sent out a plume of crimson smoke — which was pretty much the same shade as Coventry defenders’ faces.
    Stung by the early setback, Sky Blues skipper Liam Kelly surged forward menacingly and was cynically chopped down from behind by scorer Dalby, who happily accepted his yellow card.
    However, it almost proved a costly foul when Kasey Palmer fired in a 25-yard piledriver from the free-kick which beat Mark Howard but bounced off the post.
    That let-off appeared to focus Wrexham minds and they promptly doubled their lead in their next attack with a freakish goal.

    Elliot Lee, son of former Newcastle midfielder Rob Lee, collected the ball on the left and swept in a curling inswinger towards Paul Mullin.
    It may not have found its intended target — instead it found the net, as Moore watched in horror as the ball flew into the far corner of his net.
    Wrexham were in dreamland but this incredible script still had plenty of plot twists to come.
    Robins had left his top scorer Viktor Gyokeres on the bench but when Fabio Tavares went down injured he sent for the Swedish forward.
    Coventry’s confidence surged and within a minute of their talisman’s arrival they had pulled a goal back.
    Palmer’s cross found Martyn Waghorn, who knocked it into Ben Sheaf’s path and the midfielder drilled a fierce low shot beyond Howard from 12 yards.
     Wrexham simply gritted their teeth and stunned Coventry with a third goal — six minutes into first-half stoppage time.
    Robins had been fearing Ben Tozer’s “ballistic missile” and the Wrexham throw-in expert showed why.
    His booming throw into the heart of the penalty area sparked a spot of head tennis as skipper Young headed to Dalby, who headed to Thomas O’Connor, who headed past Moore to spark more bedlam.
    If anything, the second half was even more bonkers.
    Another Tozer long throw 12 minutes after the restart landed at Max Cleworth, whose shot smacked the outstretched arm of Panzo.
    It was a clear penalty and also earned Panzo a red card.
    Paul Mullin sent Moore the wrong way to score from the spot to make it 4-1. Wrexham fans were giving it the old “Oles” as some home supporters headed for the exits.
    Those who did blundered badly because Coventry suddenly rallied.
    Palmer squared for Gyokeres to slam home his customary goal to make it 4-2 after 69 minutes.
    And seven minutes later Palmer swept a stunning free-kick over the Wrexham wall to make it 4-3.
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    Wrexham were hanging on for their lives and Parkinson was booked for dissent.
    Amazingly, Robins’ battlers almost snatched a draw six minutes into stoppage time but Palmer fired over from seven yards as the Dragons held out for a win. That’s a wrap!
    Wrexham sent their fans into dreamlandCredit: Rex
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    Liverpool 2 Wolves 2: Nunez and Salah spare Alisson’s blushes after blunder but visitors peg Reds back to force replay

    LIVERPOOL is a city which loves its football and comedy – last night they served up both on the same bill.Only this time no-one of a red persuasion inside Anfield found it the slightest bit amusing, as the only jokes were the defensive clangers which gifted Wolves an FA Cup draw.
    Alisson’s clanger gifted Wolves a first half leadCredit: Reuters
    Darwin Nunez celebrates levelling for LiverpoolCredit: Rex
    And in doing so ensured that a few more cracks appeared in a season which is steadily crumbling beneath their feet.
    A goalkeeping cock-up by Alisson saw him roll the ball straight to Goncalo Guedes to hand the visitors an opener.
    Then, after clawing their way ahead – thanks, it should be said, to an opposition clanger for the second – they came up with a second dose of comic cuts defending to cancel it out.
    Side splitting it may have been for the neutrals. Cause only for Jurgen Klopp to have a face like thunder, and another night wondering where it is all going wrong.
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    Well just about everywhere you look, Jurgen. From a leaden-footed midfield, to a clown-footed defence… and a keeper rated the best in the world who played like a pub stopper.
    Heavens, if it hadn’t been for the most confusing of VAR decisions, it would even have been Cup KO, as Matheus Nunes had come back from offside before delivering the ball which ended with centre back Toti thinking he’d backheeled a winner.
    Maybe it would have been stretching it a bit too much to suggest Liverpool would have deserved it. But they’d only have been able to blame themselves if so.
    And no-one more than Alisson, whose 26th minute clanger left him with a face as red as his team-mates’ shirts.
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    Thiago was the initial culprit, losing the ball to Joe Hodge deep in his own half, but sliding back to nick it off Raul Jimenez’s toe and knock it back to his keeper.
    Alisson had time to pick out anyone in red – yet laughably and lazily simply rolled it to Guedes, who couldn’t believe his luck and drilled it past the bemused Brazilian.
    That was bad enough. But even worse was the fact Liverpool simply didn’t learn from it and the next two big chances both went to the men in old gold shirts as well.
    First Adama Traore robbed Jordan Henderson when he over-ran it, and Guedes fizzed in a swirling long range drive that Alisson was happy to beat away.
    Then Traore sent a low cross skidding across goal which just evaded the flying Jimenez as he slid in at the far post.
    Liverpool weren’t at the races. Like they weren’t in their last home game, when Leicester threatened to run away with it, only to get pegged back bang on half-time.
    Well guess what. Last night turned into the unlikeliest of carbon copies, when Nathan Collins’ slashed clearance fell to Trent Alexander-Arnold ten yards in the Wolves’ half.
    Two strides forward, a glance up and a perfect looping delivery to the left side of the box, where Darwin Nunez had loped beyond the backline.
    It wasn’t a perfect connection from the Uruguayan whose finishing has often been mocked, yet it came cleanly enough off his shin to roll past Sarkic into the far corner.
    Alisson bizarrely passed the ball straight to Goncalo Guedes
    Mo Salah gave Liverpool a 2-1 lead on 52 minutesCredit: AFP

    From dismal to dominant in one instant, and suddenly the whole momentum of the tie had changed.
    Wolves needed to get a foothold once again. Instead they came up with another kamikaze moment that gifted Liverpool a second.
    When Gakpo lofted a ball into the box, Salah had gone half a yard too soon and would have been offside if the pass had gone straight to him.
    Instead centre-back Toti made a deliberate attempt to head clear, but only diverted it to the Kop striker, who pulled it down brilliantly and coolly clipped into the net.
    Put of jail then, and back on an even keel. Only this lot never are any more, and after a triple substitution by Julen Lopetegui, Wolves were level.
    Hwang Hee-chan traded passes with Matheus Cunha, who returned the favour as he drilled low into the box.
    Ibrahima Konate got there first, yet it bounced off Hwang and somehow rolled under Alisson’s despairing hand and into the net.
    It took confirmation from VAR official Mike Dean to confirm it… yet ten minutes from time he was the man who came to Liverpool’s rescue.
    Again the Red backline was hacking hopelessly as the ball pinballed around the box, and when it fell to Toti, he thought he’d gained redemption by backheeling in.
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    But his joy was cut short when the goal disallowed, when initial corner taker Nunes was penalised for being offside in the build-up.
    Liverpool were off the hook. But unless they step up a level or two at Molineux in the replay, it will be little more than a stay of execution.

    Hwang Hee-chan’s untidy finish beat AlissonCredit: Reuters
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    Watch Liverpool keeper Alisson ‘go full Karius’ with incredible blunder to hand Wolves lead in FA Cup clash

    LIVERPOOL goalkeeper Alisson gifted Wolves a first-half lead at Anfield after committing a hilarious blunder.The Reds hosted their Premier League counterparts as they kicked off their FA Cup campaign.

    Alisson couldn’t believe his mistakeCredit: AFP
    The Brazilian passed the ball straight to Goncalo Guedes
    Guedes couldn’t believe his luck
    Boss Jurgen Klopp fielded a strong XI, electing NOT to rotate first choice goalkeeper Alisson for regular cup stopper Caoimhin Kelleher.
    But after the Brazilian’s mistake, Klopp may wish he had given his No1 the weekend off.
    On 26 minutes, Alisson received the ball under little pressure in his own box.
    He bafflingly passed it straight to Wolves forward Goncalo Guedes, with the Portuguese international almost not believing his luck.
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    Regardless he made no mistake, controlling the ball before smacking it into the back of the net.
    The error reminded fans of former Reds stopper Loris Karius’ terrible Champions League final gaffe against Real Madrid in 2018.
    Karius, 29, rolled the ball straight to Karim Benzema that day, before dropping a Gareth Bale effort from range over the line.
    Taking to Twitter, one fan wrote: “Alisson just went full Karius.”
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    The gaffe reminded fans of Loris Karius’ mistake against Real Madrid in the Champions League finalCredit: Getty – Contributor
    While a second added: “Loris Karius vibes.”
    A third joked: “Goalkeeper of the Year Alisson Becker. Karius proud of him.”
    And a fourth quipped: “Alisson got inspired by his idol Karius.”
    Alisson wasn’t the first high-profile stopper to drop a clanger this weekend.
    David de Gea had a moment to forget while playing for Manchester United against Everton on Friday night.
    The Spaniard got his feet in a muddle, gifting Conor Coady a tap in for the Toffees.
    After the error, ITV pundit Roy Keane blasted: “A shocking mistake from an international goalkeeper.
    “It’s like Carry On football. It looks like he’s had a few drinks.
    “It’s like the keeper’s been sent off and an outfield player has gone in goal.”
    David de Gea got his legs in a muddleCredit: ITV More

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    Harry Redknapp: I love the magic of the FA Cup… but it has stung me as both a player and manager

    THERE are some games that live with you forever — and this weekend always brings back loads of memories for me.But the way the FA Cup is treated these days, I doubt many current players will look back on the competition with the same affection once they’ve retired.
    Harry Redknapp looks back on his FA Cup memories as a player and managerCredit: Splash
    Harry Redknapp’s West Ham was eliminated by Wrexham in 1997Credit: Getty
    The third round was always one of THE big days of the year.
    And the draw itself wasn’t too far behind either.
    I was in a West Ham side that had three World Cup winners in Bobby Moore, Geoff Hurst and Martin Peters.
    But even though they’d won the biggest competition of all, they would be crowded round the radio with the rest of us to find out who we had drawn.
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    There were times we’d rush back into the dressing room from training, still in our kit and caked in mud, before tuning in. It was such a big deal.
    And there was certainly no way any manager would even consider playing a weakened team. That was just unheard of.
    In fact we’d have special FA Cup training weeks. We would go to Southend for a couple of days and have a walk on the beach to prepare for a game that was always very special.
    I’m not talking about the final here — this was the early rounds. And any changes were because of injuries — everyone wanted to play.
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    West Ham were also knocked out by Mansfield in 1969 with Redknapp on the teamCredit: Mansfield Town Football Club
    It was just magical, even though I was on the wrong end of a few shocks.
    West Ham — with Hurst, Moore, myself, Billy Bonds, Frank Lampard Snr and the rest — were beaten by Mansfield in a game that was snowed off FIVE times.
    That particular nightmare in early 1969 became known as ‘The Miracle in the Mansfield Mud’ — but sadly it wasn’t the only giant-killing I was involved in.
    In January 1997, I was West Ham manager when Wrexham came to Upton Park and broke our hearts with a 90th-minute winner from Kevin Russell.
    Then two years later we lost a third-round replay 1-0 away to Swansea, then in the lowest division, after a 1-1 draw at our place.
    If there are any shocks these days you always hear the excuse, “Oh, they played a weakened team”.
    Well, I’m sorry, but I’m just not having it.
    At the start of each season, how many teams have a genuine chance of winning the Premier League? Three or four at best. Sometimes only a couple.
    If there are any shocks these days you always hear the excuse, “Oh, they played a weakened team”. Well, I’m sorry, but I’m just not having it.Harry Redknapp
    By the time the FA Cup starts of course some will be fighting to stay up and I can understand why that is the priority with all the money involved.
    But the majority pretty much know they are safe, so why not have a go for a trophy? Most of them don’t — and it will be the same this weekend.
    If you’re, say, Brentford, Fulham or Aston Villa, this is your chance to win a pot.
    When I was at Portsmouth in 2008, we knew we weren’t going to win the league but were seventh or eighth in the table and gave the FA Cup a right good go.
    We played our strongest team in every round, beat Manchester United at Old Trafford on the way to the final and ended up winning the thing!
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    It was one of the greatest days in Portsmouth’s history, one of the best in my career and gave us memories none of us will ever forget.
    There’s a lot that has changed for the better over the years but the FA Cup definitely isn’t one of them — and, sadly, I can only see it getting worse. More

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    Sheff Weds 2 Newcastle 1: Toon fans raging as offside Windass goal allowed to stand with no VAR in shock FA Cup defeat

    THE LONG wait for Newcastle’s first major domestic trophy will end soon. We all know that. It might be in the Carabao Cup this season. It could even be in the Premier League, however unlikely.
    Newcastle suffered a shock FA Cup elimination at Sheffield WednesdayCredit: Reuters
    Sheffield Wednesday qualified thanks to Josh Windass’ braceCredit: Getty
    But this blockbuster of an FA Cup tie was yet another lesson that you can have a very good manager, decent squad and all the money in the world, but winning that first trophy to usher in a golden era is not straightforward.
    Eddie Howe’s in-form team, with just one defeat this season against Liverpool, were left on their backsides by a League One side, who more than deserved their spot in the fourth round.
    In a world where even the most expensive football stadiums all look the same inside, Hillsborough remains one of THE finest arenas but it has not had many great nights over recent years.
    But Darren Moore’s fearless team ensured that this corner of Sheffield was absolutely rocking while Newcastle’s fans were left to digest yet another poor Cup exit.
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    They were dumped out of the third round by Cambridge last season and were undone by Josh Windass, son of former striker Dean.
    Windass’ first goal should have been ruled out for offside but there was no VAR. Yet Newcastle could not complain too much as Bruno Guimaraes’ strike, which brought it back to 2-1, was also offside.
    Incredibly, Windass had only scored five times until this season but a hat-trick on Monday, against Cambridge funnily enough, saw him return to the goals trail and he could easily have left with the matchball once again.
    Due to Newcastle’s current situation, where they have progressed quicker than expected under Howe, there will be no major recriminations.
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    Newcastle fans were furious after a controversial FA Cup eliminationCredit: Rex
    But here is the club whose last major domestic trophy was the FA Cup in 1955 and that poor run over the decades is because the team have put in so many performances like this.
    Yet Windass took his chances in complete contrast to £60million striker Alexander Isak who started only his fourth game for Newcastle – and first since September – and was taken off at half-time.
    Isak, who arrived from Real Sociedad for a club record fee, has some catching up to do as he had been sidelined since September 17 with a hamstring injury.
    The 23-year-old should have scored at least one of his four first-half chances and Newcastle’s fans will have to develop some patience as it will be a few weeks, at least, before Isak is anywhere near as sharp as he needs to be.
    The Swede was denied by a flash save from Cameron Dawson but his header was too near the Wednesday keeper.
    Isak was put clean through by the impressive Manquillo but despite a couple of touches, hammered a shot straight at the legs of Dawson. He then wellied a low free-kick into the Wednesday wall and then displayed a complete lack of belief when attempting to lob Dawson but the shot drifted harmlessly away from goal.
    At half-time, aside from Howe replacing Isak with Chris Wood, Wednesday boss Moore took off the struggling Fisayo Dele-Bashiru for Dennis Adeniran.
    And midfielder Adeniran, who failed to make an appearance in four years at Everton, made an instant impact. He found a way past Sven Botman and squared the ball for Windass who got across Jamaal Lascelles to score.
    But the player getting all the plaudits was George Byers who started the move with a brilliant turn, taking out a couple of Newcastle players.
    But if that was a bit lucky, due to the lack of VAR, there was certainly nothing ropey about Wednesday’s second.
    Newcastle legend Alan Shearer watched from the press box in disbeliefCredit: REUTERS
    Alan Shearer watched Newcastle crash out in a controversial lostCredit: REUTERS
    Joelinton stuck out a leg to put the ball in the direction of Michael Smith and his pass released Windass who lashed a first-time shot from outside the area past Martin Dubravka.
    With his first kick of the game, sub Kieran Trippier delivered the corner which saw Newcastle pull one back. Wood’s header was saved by Dawson but it fell to an offside Guimaraes.
    Windass was denied a hat-trick when Dubravka got the finest of touches to tip a 25-yard free-kick onto the woodwork
    Naturally, there were nervous moments at the end. Wood should have scored but scooped an easy chance into a gleeful Wednesday Kop.
    Yet when referee Michael Salisbury blew his whistle, those supporters who have witnessed so dross over the years celebrated so wildly, the old concrete stands were shaking.
    If Wednesday keep playing like this in the League then, surely, they will be back in the second tier of English football. For a club of this size, this is the bare minimum.
    Newcastle fans were infuriated after full-time as they took to Twitter to lash out after Windass’ first goal in a match that had no VAR and saw Alan Shearer raging in the press box.
    One supporter tweeted: “This Newcastle game shows how incompetent officials are and why VAR is needed.”
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    Another posted: “Anyone who wants VAR out of the game turn on the Newcastle game to see how unbelievably bad linesmen are.”
    A third commented: “Never gonna slag VAR off again after watching this Newcastle game.” More

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    When is FA Cup fourth round draw? Date, start time, TV channel, live stream FREE, ball numbers

    FA CUP action is back in action NOW – with all fans wanting their team in the draw for the next round.The third round of the competition got underway on Friday night as Manchester United beat Everton 3-1 at Old Trafford.
    Liverpool beat Chelsea in last season’s FA Cup finalCredit: Getty
    And tomorrow, Tottenham take on Portsmouth and Liverpool face Wolves while Aston Villa host Stevenage.
    On Sunday, it’s a clash of the titans as Chelsea travel to Manchester City, just days after playing them in the Premier League.
    The final game of the round will be played between Arsenal and Oxford on Monday.
    When is the FA Cup fourth round draw?
    The FA Cup fourth round draw will take place on Sunday, January 8.
    The draw will get underway just before Chelsea’s trip to the Etihad Stadium to play Manchester City.
    What TV channel is it on?
    The FA Cup fourth round draw will be shown live on BBC One/iPlayer once the Oxford vs Arsenal game is over.
    You can live stream the draw from the BBC iPlayer, which is available for download onto your mobile or tablet device.
    How many teams will be in the hat?
    There will be 32 teams in the hat for the FA Cup fourth round draw.
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    Some teams will have to wait a little longer to find out their true fourth round fate, however, because of potential replays.
    Replays, in the event of a draw, are back this season up until, and including, the fourth round.
    What are the ball numbers?

    1 Preston North End
    2 Brighton & Hove Albion
    3 Chesterfield or West Bromwich Albion
    4 Manchester City or Chelsea
    5 Stockport County or Walsall
    6 Boreham Wood or Accrington Stanley
    7 Tottenham Hotspur
    8 Derby County or Barnsley
    9 Cardiff City or Leeds United
    10 Brentford or West Ham United
    11 Burnley
    12 Coventry City or Wrexham
    13 Norwich City or Blackburn Rovers
    14 Aston Villa or Stevenage
    15 Luton Town or Wigan Athletic
    16 Oxford United or Arsenal
    17 Fleetwood Town
    18 Liverpool or Wolverhampton Wanderers
    19 Grimsby Town or Burton Albion
    20 Blackpool
    21 Leicester City
    22 Forest Green Rovers or Birmingham City
    23 Bristol City or Swansea City
    24 Hartlepool United or Stoke City
    25 Fulham
    26 Southampton
    27 Sheffield United
    28 Sunderland
    29 Sheffield Wednesday
    30 Manchester United
    31 Reading or Watford
    32 Ipswich Town More